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Chemtrails
« on: October 23, 2013, 09:59:30 PM »
Chemtrails.  Are they merely harmless plane exhaust or are they the actual spraying of biological/chemical agents for more nefarious purposes.  What do all of you think?

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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2013, 11:01:10 PM »
An interesting subject to be sure. I know someone who was banned from another forum for stating their beliefs. I know that that will not happen here and I look forward to the discussion.  I used to approach this issue from a scientific pint of view and tended to explain most of the examples posted as "natural" but manmade and generally harmless and innate. Now thanks to the efforts of other preppers I have a much more open minded approach.  The question is whether it is totally intentional or whether it is an unwanted consequence of an additive to jet fuel.
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2013, 11:06:44 AM »
I do think there's a difference between normal plane exhaust and chemical trails.  It also seems from some of the information I've heard along the way that these trails seem to be localized, as in - not present everywhere planes fly.
I believe it is a misguided attempt to augment the ozone layer by the government.  I think that the activity may provide some short-term masking of the true state of our atmosphere.   

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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2013, 01:42:08 PM »
We think along the same lines. Either augmenting the ozone layer or perhaps increasing the albedo of the plant to lower the planets temperature and combat global warming (sorry climate change) would be my guess.
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2013, 08:35:37 PM »
As for myself I'm still undecided but keeping an open mind on the topic.

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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2013, 09:52:03 PM »
In the past I have seen links to actual documents that state, some are chemtrails, now all you see is not chemtrails though some would be water vapour at high altitudes.

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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2013, 11:05:55 PM »
Chemtrails?  Oh you mean VAPOR trails... drink your fluoride and everything will be ok, there ya go. >:D
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2013, 11:57:00 PM »
Thought I would add this for those who are interested. It is from a Facebook page that I follow called Eastern Ontario Geoenigeering Watch.

"FB is odd, it wont let me flag this, so a copy and post lol
 Our Canadian Chemtrails Petition with more than
 3400 signatures was presented by Mr. Alex Atamananko, MP in the Parliament of Canada on Oct. 21, 2013 during the HoC Sitting No. 4 (Apparently the "above 1000" is a norm in the Parliament of Canada for any amount of signatures more than 1000 or it is a mistake made by him in his presentation). Our Petition is now finally in front of the government and an answer from the Canadian Government is expected no later than 45 days. We express our deep gratitude to Mr. Alex Atamananko, MP's support and wish him great success in his career as he is a real representative of the people. To watch the presentation follow the link below and click the "Play, download or subscribe" link. You may need to install Microsoft Silver light to be able to watch it. You may also choose to download it. Go to the location: 15:18:16 http://parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Parlvu/ContentEntityDetailView.aspx?ContentEntityId=10850&lang=en&date=20131021 Also see the text of the Petition as attached. Stay tuned as I am about to announce a geoengineering criminal lawsuit campaign which is my next step in stopping the geoengineering/chemtrails crime. This will change the history for the mankind worldwide "

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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2013, 11:58:59 PM »
At least there are some areas of open discussion concerning the "theoretical" dispersal of atmospheric aerosols.

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/3/034019/article
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2013, 03:57:54 PM »
In reading that link, there is a huge leap from chem trails to what they are costing out.  Their work starts at a min altitude of 18 km, to high to have any useful effect effect.
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 12:33:57 AM »
I think you missed the point Primus. We are not arguing about the proposed height of the "theoretical" dispersal of atmospheric aerosols. The point is that the
"theoretical" dispersal of atmospheric aerosols is actually being studied at all.
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 10:29:35 AM »
Good morning all, did any of you get a little skiff of snow this am. After you read all this, your going to think was it mother nature or not.  ;)
I should give some back ground, then all jump in with so many links to info you'll hate me for tweaking your curiosity. After all you’re on a pepper group right.
For the record I and husband are in our 50'ts so we have experienced a lot of weather over our heads living here in this geographic area for over 25 years. The past 10 or so years , we always talk about the strange weather including the sun, then last year my son gave me a copy of a documentary out of the UK called don’t talk about the weather. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/dont-talk-about-the-weather/.
This is when we learn a new word called Stratospheric Aerosol Geo-engineering (SAG), AKA chemtrails.
 Geoengineering is the intentional, large-scale technological manipulation of the Earth’s systems, often discussed as a techno-fix for combating climate change.  The ETC group are they only scientific group I trust. http://www.etcgroup.org/issues/climate-geoengineering
Then I found these amazing people, I found out they had made a petition to the Canadian Government years early and had tones of photo’s of chemtrail over them also living in Ontario. http://holmestead.ca/chemtrails/petition-2013.html
After that I new something wasn’t right in the skies about me in Eastern Ontario. And sure enough, what the documentary pointed out as jets spraying chemtrail was happening right over my head, and not only me, but my sister about a two hour drive west of me. Then I talk with a girl friend on Vancouver Island and sure enough seeing the same type jets spraying chemtrail. After that down the rabbi whole I went. Seem this was going on in all Nato nations.
So what is a chemtrail. This is from  Mauro Oliveira of Geoengineeringwatch.org
when a jet airplane flies at a certain altitude, a visible trail of streaks of condensed water vapor sometimes form in the wake of the aircraft. This is called a contrail. Contrails are normal and usually dissipate in a few seconds. They are very similar to when we breathe in cold weather. What occurs behind a SAG plane spraying aerosols is quite different. What can be seen is a thick white line also called a chemtrail that lingers in the sky for several hours. The SAG lines are sprayed into the upper atmosphere and then spread out forming what then appear to be clouds. The particles from these aerosols then fall to the ground where they enter our soil and water and can also be inhaled.
If you have good enough binoculars or camera with supper zoom you can see theses are not passenger jets.  And most importantly this chemtrail ARE NOT part of the engine admission.
Ok don’t put your tinfoil hat on yet. There’s much more.
So now I’m out side every day, looking up at every thing that fly passed. I start Goggling  chemtrail and find the America version about chemtrail called “what in the world are they spraying”.  By Michael J. Murphy. www.whyintheworldaretheyspraying.com/october-surprise

This doc was very helpfully because what I did was stop play every time they said a name then I Google that name. And whose name keeps popping up our own David Keith a prof at U of Calgary. Seem he gets direct founding from you guess it. Bill Gates foundation.  And FYI Bill Gate is founding   Monsanto with there evil GMO plans, but that’s another connecting story.
This doc is how they were going to found all the chemtrail spray programs
David W. Keith Department of Enginering and Public Policy, Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Geo-enginerring
ftp://luna.atmos.washington.edu/pub/breth/PCC/SI2006/readings/Keith_geoengr_AnnRevEnergy_2000.pdf
Now if that’s not enough to blow your mind, this is. The global warming climate stuff they keep pushing on us, you know Al Gore inconvenient truth move. ALL BULL. 
How do they get away with it.  Other people like me around the world ask the same thing and a group of people in Germany were way ahead of the chemtrail trail. Lol.  They asked Green peace International to look into it.  The below is what they found out about the IPCC, who call ALL the shots on climate change.
“In the climate debate Greenpeace relies on the insights of the UNO climate research committee, the IPCC. This panel, which comprises around 2000 climate experts, is recognized and independent. The conclusions drawn by them are clear: Global warming represents the greatest danger to humanity. A widespread deployment of chemtrails could hardly remain hidden from the IPCC.”
Thus Greenpeace is reliant, so Studer says, on the insights of the IPCC – and thereby of the UNO. The chemtrails article in ‘Raum+Zeit’ he claims to have read; and therefore knows that in it the IPCC is accused not only of involvement in upholding the secrecy of the spraying project, which has meantime spread throughout the world, but of having given its consent to the world’s biggest secret project since the ’Manhattan Project’ of Oppenheimer. However, this does not prevent the Greenpeace activist Studer from maintaining that global warming represents the greatest threat to mankind. Chemtrails, so he believes, are impossibility, because otherwise the IPCC would be aware of it – and Greenpeace would of course immediately be informed.”
So we now know Al Gore Bill Gates, etc. are player in the world wide chemrail spray programs. And I say programs with a big S because there is hundred’s of them on going around the world.
Who benefits from weather modification and weather control programs? Weather began to be traded as a tradable commodity at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange in 1997
Some of the chemtrail projects are to make it snow or rain or stop hail, or move tornado, make hurricanes, you name it. And I won’t get into HARPP only because this is enough for me to deal with right now And it would be nice if ET show up and kick some ass, but that said if you really want to read about all chemtrail see this Lady web site, she is my new hero.  Any question you might have you;’’ find them at here site. , http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/  she even has a Canadian part just for us.
We are now suffering the consequences of these pursuits and are being ignored as more of these experiments are planned for our future by unethical wealthy individuals, corporations, groups, universities, government agencies, military warriors in pursuit of more "Shock & Awe" type horrors, and others who lost their moral and ethical compass. The pursuit of money, power, fame, technological glory, enforced globalization in a new world order, and ego driven glorification are some of the driving forces.  The public, the Earth, our living environment with the miracles that surround us, are all expendable today in this new world view.  Only the experiment itself, in this limited view of our world, is important if it can be exploited for some egotistical gains, power or money.
This vid was taken by me right over my house in Eastern Ontario as the cow fly an hour west of Ottawa. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=356283327820125&l=7060499317611208712
 Polymers are part of the mixture and they do form in threads and in `tufts'. The idea is simple and comes to us from the spider. Spider webbing is very light, some newborn spiders spin. Most of the elements used in the spray are heavier than air, even in their powdered form they are heavier and will sink quickly. Mixing them with the polymers suspends the particles high in the atmosphere.. , http://www.agriculturedefensecoalition.org/
 "Food for Thought” about issues which all of us will be faced with sooner or later.  The more information we have and the more we know about these issues, the less likely that we will allow others to exploit us and our environment.
Geoengineering, ongoing experimental weather modification programs, and other atmospheric programs are also threatening crop production and our water supplies. Solar Radiation Management (Geoengineering) will reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the earth and our croplands.  These programs will reduce photosynthesis and lower crop production while polluting our air, water, and soil with toxic chemicals.
Chemtrail over The Town of Perth Ontario
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Eastern Ontario Geo-engineering Watch
https://www.facebook.com/EasternOntarioChemtrailWatch?ref=hl
Chemtrails in Ontario
https://www.facebook.com/groups/420634009936/
chemtrail awareness or any weak link in the chain.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/Theshadow52/
The ethics of geoenginerring.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcc.198/abstract
Veteran’s to day.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/26/government-documents-link-global-warming-to-advanced-military-climate-modification-technology/
Top climate scientists have admitted that their global warming forecasts are wrong and world is not heating at the rate they claimed it was in a key report.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/10310712/Top-climate-scientists-admit-global-warming-forecasts-were-wrong.html?fb&fb_source=message
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2420783/Worlds-Top climate scientists admit global warming forecasts were wrongTop climate scientists have admitted that their global warming forecasts are wrong and world is not heating at the rate they claimed it was in a key report. climate-scientists-confess-Global-warming-just-QUARTER-thought--computers-got-effects-greenhouse-gases-wrong.html
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20110131007054/en/E.L.-Rothschild-LLC-Acquires-Majority-Stake-Weather

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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 05:22:34 PM »
Actually the point in that article was" spraying at current flight levels would be of no use.  Spraying would need to take place in the stratosphere"   
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2013, 12:12:59 AM »
Thanks for the informative and extensive post TheLanarchist. It will take me some time to read through all the links, there are a lot of leads to be followed up on there. Thank you again for taking the time to get us started on our individual quests for the truth.
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2013, 01:49:22 PM »
Actually the point in that article was" spraying at current flight levels would be of no use.  Spraying would need to take place in the stratosphere"   

I think that you missed my point once again Primus. You had said:
In reading that link, there is a huge leap from chem trails to what they are costing out.  Their work starts at a min altitude of 18 km, to high to have any useful effect effect.

I was pointing out that that the theory behind Chemtrails, atmospheric aerosol geo-engineering, is in fact an area of current scientific research.

Again, the concept I was trying to get across is that the subject IS being studied by the scientific community and the subject cannot be summarily dismissed.  In your reply you were making the argument about the height of deployment. While within the bounds of the referenced article that is indeed true it has little to do issue that experiments involving atmospheric geo-engineering are taking place.
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2013, 03:37:49 PM »
Big difference between being studied and what the chemtrail fans claim is currently happening. Either way move it to debatable topics please. 
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2013, 12:50:32 AM »
This topic was created in this section to start conversation as to the possible threat that chemtrails, should they exist, pose to the environment. Some people believe that this threat is real while others deny their existence. There is a mounting volume of evidence that atmospheric geo-engineering may, has or will affect the atmosphere. A presentation of the Chemtrails Petition 2013 was made to the Parliament of Canada by Mr. Alex Atamanenko, MP.  If the Parliament of Canada can discuss the issue there is no reason why we cannot discuss it hereof the discussion here on the forum. As a possible meteorological threat it is in the correct position: CanAmPreppers>>SHTF Threats & Thoughts>> Meteorological.
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2013, 06:36:47 PM »
I feel so much better now that I know that you are taking the matter seriously enough to look it up on Wikipedia. At least it is a start. ;)
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Re: Chemtrails
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 12:17:26 PM »
All "fact" starts with a theory, if it did not then we would be mindless idiots wandering around naked. A scientific fact must have supporting evidence, must be demonstrable, and be able to put into use. Examples, I'm sure ICRCC will probably agree, these following subjects which are taught in our schools and Universities are still in the proccess of being classed as theory:

Evolution
Electricity
Quantum physics
Chemistry
Astronomy
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So you see my point, nothing is pure fact, there are holes and unknowns in all sciences, that is why we question, gather supporting evidence, weigh that against certainty, and form a theory.

Thanks guys I've been following this subject for some time. It started out as something akin to witchcraft, and has been developing into a viable theory. Keep up the posts, and how do we defend ourselves from this theoretical threat?
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