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Energy firms warn of blackouts and power shortages from Labour's plan to freeze bills but Miliband dismisses 'scare stories'

Britain could be plunged into darkness by Labour’s 1970s-style plan to freeze power bills, it was claimed last night.

Energy firms said capping prices would halt the investment needed to avoid blackouts and lead to gas and electricity shortages.

But Labour leader Ed Miliband today dismissed the 'scare stories' which he claimed were being pedalled by the firms which have been overcharging people for years.


The Labour leader’s pledge to fix bills until 2017 if he wins the general election, which is calculated to appeal to struggling families, was welcomed by consumer groups.
But it prompted an extraordinary threat from one energy giant to quit the UK.

Centrica said it would ‘not be economically viable to continue’ if it had to freeze prices when its costs were rising.



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The truth of the matter is yes, operating costs are rising due to fuel/transport costs, labour costs( because of over stringent safety laws) near hyper inflation, shortage of skilled labour, and an over abundance of top heavy bosses in management (due to too heavy of a bureaucratic load of paperwork and related crap) Here is a small examle from everyday experience. I receive a construction print, review it in the field, and notice some small errors in pole placement/structure type. Instead of just changing it to what I know to be right, I must phone my supervisor, review it with him and then in turn he goes to our manager, who goes to the client liason, who goes to his boss,who in turn goes to his engineer, who then reviews the changes, and sends them back down the line. Another example of rising costs,which is really incredible, a 16"x 3/4" galvanized bolt in northern Alberta can cost upto $128.00 believe it or not, I've seen the invoices. The fact is is that everyone, from purchasing, transport,planning, and construction are all being gouged. Then who is at the bottom? ... The end user picks up the tab, we can't have our cake and eat it too... Just my own observations through experience.
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In all government purchasing.. or once removed government purchasing which in the end utilities are there is little oversight and no incentive for efficiency. In fact is it quite the opposite. When you have a basic monopoly and the bottom line is funded by the lowly helpless taxpayer why wouldn't you take what you can get. There won't be any repercussions regardless. Pigs at the trough are NOT just politicians.
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In ontario, we have been paying hydro the "debt recovery charge" on each bill, for many yrs. when questioned, it was brought up in parliament, that the debt had been paid in full 2-3 yrs ago but the charge is still there. pigs at the trough.
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No kidding. Another example of corporate bottom feeding, how come we're paying 6.5c/KWH in the summer and upto 12c in the winter? And how come we pay these same rates, right here where we produce the power, and sell it on the open market (read the US) at less than half that rate to customers below the 49th, who in turn don't pay their bills back to us half the time? Yeah deregulation of the industry... what a great idea. Don't even start posting about coal exports... OK whoa I"ll rein it in. Rant over.
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Our energy isn't the only thing the Americans get cheaper than we do.  Last summer a friend of mine needed new tires on his truck.  He and his wife were going down to the states for a few days so he decided to wait until he returned before buying them.  He found the exact same tires down there, signifigantly cheaper than what they were up here.  The tires were even stamped "made in Canada".  As you might guess, he came home with all new tires on his truck.
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I worked on power line that goes from terace to red chris mine in northern bc want see waste of dollars they are 500 millions over budget and so far 6 months behind
And we the taxt payers have already had our first bill increase
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I worked on power line that goes from terace to red chris mine in northern bc want see waste of dollars they are 500 millions over budget and so far 6 months behind
And we the taxt payers have already had our first bill increase

Yeah I worked up there too for a couple of months. The biggest problem on ALL those big jobs is too many guys in higher management wanting to either change things after they are completed, or not enough information passed down to the field level supervisors. Happens everywhere.
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Realy u where up there so ya u kno exactly what was going on up there
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This is what I witness with my own eyes.  A branch (6/7ft long) broke off and was leaning on wires.  My neighbour call hydro. Few  hours later they came. 3 workers with truck and supervisor with another truck. First half an hour they looked the branch and talk (I was watching from my shop). Than one worker pull the branch down to the ground. They talk another half and hour. Than one worker got chainsaw from the truck and they talk for a while. than the guy cut about 4 or 5 pieces from the branch and one worker pull the rest of the branch to the bush. They just talk again for about half an hour. Than the other worker carry the cut offs to the bush. and than they talk. Finally  2 1/2 to 3 hours later they all left.
I could do the job very, very slowly and safely in 10 minutes. I believe they make around $ 60 hour.
Since than I know why my hydro bills are so high.
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there was a sign at the office where I did my safty intro  to work on power line
and it said if u run u will not make any money but if u walk u could get rich
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This is what I witness with my own eyes.  A branch (6/7ft long) broke off and was leaning on wires.  My neighbour call hydro. Few  hours later they came. 3 workers with truck and supervisor with another truck. First half an hour they looked the branch and talk (I was watching from my shop). Than one worker pull the branch down to the ground. They talk another half and hour. Than one worker got chainsaw from the truck and they talk for a while. than the guy cut about 4 or 5 pieces from the branch and one worker pull the rest of the branch to the bush. They just talk again for about half an hour. Than the other worker carry the cut offs to the bush. and than they talk. Finally  2 1/2 to 3 hours later they all left.
I could do the job very, very slowly and safely in 10 minutes. I believe they make around $ 60 hour.
Since than I know why my hydro bills are so high.
Henry

Ontario hydro linemen only make 35-42 dollars an hour. And yes I've seen utility employees in action. The big problem being, is that they were probably out all night on other power outages in the area, and chose that time to take it easy. Not defending them but I've been there and done that...48 hrs straight no sleep just get the lights on,and of course the weather is always really crappy when this happens. As a lineman youre always being harrassed, when are the lights gonna come on again?...my answer is usually when you back off and get out of my face...Don't come down on the linemen, they are just doing their job. And if you think that you can do better then fly at it..try not to get killed BTW.
All in all it is not their fault if your power bill is too high, if anything they are under paid.
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590 try this one out. God Made a Lineman...LMAO..there is some truth to it

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When the power goes out western society is at the mercy of the linemen for sure. O:-)
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