Islam a religion of peace.

[Gravlore]

The possibilities are many, thats for sure.


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[Doersall]

Wow ........ This was/is a great tread.


Gravlore, you are a voice of reason.


All power has the potential for great evil or great good.  It doesn't matter if it is Biological, chemical, nuclear or religion.  When put in the hands of power hungry and greedy people it has and will become an instrument for death and decay.


Religion is the source of all good in the world.  Religions were and are a prescription for the healing the ills of mankind.  If is not followed it can not be blamed for the sick getting sicker and like any prescription if abused, will lead to a dependence which will blot out all other considerations of life.  This dependence is called fanaticism.  You will find it everywhere to one degree or another in every human endeavor.  The group of like-minded survivor today will become the maurder of tomorrow.  Justifying their terror under the imperative of natures drive for them to survive at any disregard of or cost to others.


If we were to take a page from nature ( nature is Gods creation ) than you will see that every healthy eco-system is based on the principals of diversity and moderation.  When things get out of control in one area there is an adjustment that will bring it back to balance.


Man has been given by religion another capacity.  The capacity for justice.  By justice we don't mean retribution/punishment.  We mean that we have a capacity to see ahead of our actions and perceive the consequences of what we are dong and can adjust to maintain reasonable balance.  Justice here means doing what is fair.  If for example, the resources of the world were shared with all the people of the world fairly, than the range of poverty and wealth could not exists.  If we shared some of our wealth we would have much bigger markets for our goods and services as there would be many more middle class people seeking those good and services.  It would grow from a 1.5 billion market to a 5 billion market and we would not have an overpopulation problem.


Have you noticed that the birth rate of poor countries/poor or oppressed peoples is far greater than rich country/people.   Where there is a high death rate there is always a high birth rate .... an imperitive of survivial.  The Canadian birth rate is approx. 1.2 children per household.  With the exception of First Nations Communities, the poor and oppressed people of Canada.  That is not enough to
replenish our own population.  So we need immigration to maintain and grow our economy.


So we can all look ahead and see that if we jump to one side or the other we are creating an imbalance.  On a global level that will cause the world to move past it tipping point.  You will be creating the crisis for which you will need to prepare and maybe survive or not.  The financial markets might call it an over-correction.


There is only light in the world.  You can't fight darkness ( the absents of light) with darkness.

[zeker]

grav.. you say their terrible tactics will not last long..
 
its been over 1500 yrs already, and the only change I see is... more atrocitys.
 
not just the beheadings, but the burnings/ drownings and the crucifixions and the rape til death.
 
I,m guessing they are just running out of new ideas?
 
there are only so many ways to boil and egg..
 
o wait.
I dont want to give them any ideas.
 
it is said that
 
the only difference between a radical muslim and a moderate muslim, is
 
the radical will cut off your head, and the moderate, will sharpen his knife for him.
 
they are all(mostly) moderate until their numbers increase.
 
britain sweden germany come to mind.
 
there is no integration or assimilation.
 
their only goal is conquest and subjugation.

[zeker]

the marines hymn
 
from the halls of montazuma (mexico) the battle of chapultepec 1847.mexican/american war.
 
to the shores of tripoli (libya) first barbary war 1805. the barbary pirates were muslims
 
 libya had the muslims that preyed on any ship that dared come into its sphere.
 
centurtys earlier  columbus was looking for a new route to india to not have to pass the muslims. these folks have been around awhile.. and not changed.
 
a snip from teddy roosevelt speech 1916
 
(has it been 100 yrs? and still nothing has changed. sad)
 
"Christianity is not the creed of Asia and Africa at this moment solely because the seventh century Christians of Asia and Africa had trained themselves not to fight, whereas the Moslems were trained to fight. Christianity was saved in Europe solely because the peoples of Europe fought.
 
If the peoples of Europe in the seventh and eighth centuries, an on up to and including the seventeenth century, had not possessed a military equality with, and gradually a growing superiority over the Mohammedans who invaded Europe, Europe would at this moment be Mohammedan and the Christian religion would be exterminated.
 
 Wherever the Mohammedans have had complete sway, wherever the Christians have been unable to resist them by the sword, Christianity has ultimately disappeared. From the hammer of Charles Martel to the sword of Sobieski, Christianity owed its safety in Europe to the fact that it was able to show that it could and would fight as well as the Mohammedan aggressor. .....
 
The civilization of Europe, American and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization because of victories through the centuries from Charles Martel in the eighth century and those of John Sobieski in the seventeenth century.
 
During the thousand years that included the careers of the Frankish soldier and the Polish king, the Christians of Asia and Africa proved unable to wage successful war with the Moslem conquerors; and in consequence Christianity practically vanished from the two continents; and today, nobody can find in them any "social values" whatever, in the sense in which we use the words, so far as the sphere of Mohammedan influences are concerned.
 
There are such "social values" today in Europe, America and Australia only because during those thousand years, the Christians of Europe possessed the warlike power to do what the Christians of Asia and Africa had failed to do -- that is, to beat back the Moslem invader."
 
 

[Mountainman]

Zeker,

Thanks, another great history lesson for all of us.

MM.