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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2014, 09:18:16 AM »
Actually, the talking heads are being rather evasive on the job description of this 2nd case.  They won't yet say whether she is a nurse.  She may not be a nurse, but rather an orderly or do something else at the hospital. 
Again, no news about the family of the original victim.  If two hospital staff became infected, then surely some of his family must be as well.  If Ebola has an R0 of 2, then it's not supposed to be very easy to get.  If this one person infects many, then clearly the R0 we've been told is wrong. 

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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2014, 09:57:17 AM »
Actually, the talking heads are being rather evasive on the job description of this 2nd case.  They won't yet say whether she is a nurse.  She may not be a nurse, but rather an orderly or do something else at the hospital. 
Again, no news about the family of the original victim.  If two hospital staff became infected, then surely some of his family must be as well.  If Ebola has an R0 of 2, then it's not supposed to be very easy to get.  If this one person infects many, then clearly the R0 we've been told is wrong.


You are indeed right.  It was not specified what type of worker at the hospital.  Apparently there are also a group of nurses with the union who have reported that there were very poor and changing protocols followed throughout the hospitalization of the man from Liberia, including the fact that he sat in the open emergency room for a few hours and that at the beginning the health care staff were not wearing full protective gear.  This information is in the article I linked to above.
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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2014, 10:06:57 AM »
It really looks as if they are delaying the news of infections and patients deaths until news conferences can be held to make statements that make it appear that they have a handle on the situation and are in charge of the outbreak.

Obama came out with the screening at airports just hours before the first US death was reported. Yesterday  Frieden from the CDC said it was likely that there would be other cases from the health workers in Dallas. Today we got the news. Considering the patient must first be hospitalized then samples taken and sent for testing which can takes hours to days the official timeline seems skewed. The patient must have already been admitted to hospital before Frieden made his remarks about there may be more.

These tactics do not instill any confidence for me. I would prefer the truth.
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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2014, 12:25:33 PM »
Now they are saying that the second infected person, who is a nurse, was on a flight from Cleveland to Dallas the night before she went to the hospital with symptoms.  So now they are trying to contact all the passengers on the flight.


Both statements reiterate: “the healthcare worker exhibited no symptoms of illness while on flight 1143, according to the crew”. The CDC statement reads in part:

Because of the proximity in time between the evening flight and first report of illness the following morning, CDC is reaching out to passengers who flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth 13 October.

CDC is asking all 132 passengers on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on October 13 (the flight route was Cleveland to Dallas Fort Worth and landed at 8.16pm CT) to call 1 800-CDC INFO
(1 800 232-4636). After 1pm ET, public health professionals will begin interviewing passengers about the flight, answering their questions, and arranging follow up. Individuals who are determined to be at any potential risk will be actively monitored.

The healthcare worker exhibited no signs or symptoms of illness while on flight 1143, according to the crew.


Frontier Airlines statement follows a similar line, saying the company cleaned the aircraft as usual:

At approximately 1am MT on 15 October, Frontier was notified by the CDC that a customer traveling on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth on 13 October has since tested positive for the Ebola virus.

The flight landed in Dallas/Fort Worth at 8.16pm local and remained overnight at the airport having completed its flying for the day at which point the aircraft received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines prior to returning to service the next day. It was also cleaned again in Cleveland last night. Previously the customer had traveled from Dallas Fort Worth to Cleveland on Frontier flight 1142 on 10 October.


The safety and security of our customers and employees is our primary concern. Frontier will continue to work closely with CDC and other governmental agencies to ensure proper protocols and procedures are being followed.”



Want to bet Frontier is gonna see a drop in ticket sales?
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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2014, 12:47:55 PM »
So, if I am to understand this event line here:

They let someone who either took care of, or otherwise was exposed to, the deceased Ebola patient, and who was undoubtedly on the Ebola watch list for symptoms - get on a plane and fly to Cleveland and then fly back.
Good thing they've got a handle on this.



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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2014, 12:57:35 PM »
Indeed  :o .  Makes ya feel safe, doesn't it?  ::)

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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2014, 01:05:08 PM »
I feel safe, secure and protected.  NOT!


Wait... that's why I am a prepper. ;)
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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2014, 02:15:42 PM »
"According to WHO recommendations, health care workers who have attended patients or cleaned their rooms should be considered as “close contacts” and monitored for 21 days after the last exposure, even if their contact with a patient occurred when they were fully protected by wearing personal protective equipment." In the end this will all be about money. The cost to deal with this will be enormous. EVERY worker who was exposed should be isolated for a minimum 21 days and have a negative test result. There is no way the Hospitals and PTB will want to bear the burden of this cost. As well it will quickly decimate they numbers of available health care workers in all fields. Treatment of this disease is NOT SUSTAINABLE!!!!!!!!
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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2014, 07:58:03 AM »
Now they are admitting that the nurse who flew from Cleveland to Dallas had a low-grade fever (99.5), which was not high enough to meet their cut-off temp (100.4), and so she was allowed to fly.  In other words, she was symptomatic during the flight.   AND the plane was used for three flights after hers.

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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2014, 10:24:35 AM »
Wouldn't you like to be the next passenger sitting in her seat?
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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2014, 01:21:57 PM »
The CDC and the government are both shouting to the rafters about how they're trying to prevent the spread if the disease.  What a joke.  When I read about some of the decisions they're making, it makes me wonder if they're maybe trying to facilitate it rather than stop it.  Can we say, population control?  Can we say, big bucks for big pharma?
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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2014, 01:39:45 PM »
If this were a Star Trek episode, that guy would have a red shirt on.

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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2014, 02:03:32 PM »
If this were a Star Trek episode, that guy would have a red shirt on.


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Re: A second nurse in Texas now has Ebola
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2014, 03:28:56 PM »
Worth a read for those of us who think this is all fear porn.


http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=20768