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Ukraine Situation
« on: January 22, 2014, 11:09:05 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2014, 11:17:13 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu5x35io_1E
the protesters seem to have an organised thot.. wear helmets.. and hockey gear etc.. facemasks.. carry sheilds and batons.
the police are not used to dealing with anyone who doesnt show up un protected.
the gov made a new law yesterday? that its against the law to wear facemasks and helmets.
one group even made a trebushet ..catapult.. the police haverange but the protesters had only their arms.. til then, but the police promtly stormed forward and dismanteled the catapult.
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2014, 08:34:51 PM »
Isn't it incredible that laws can be created so quickly when it suits their agenda yet other laws take forever. That happens everywhere nowadays.

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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2014, 10:46:59 PM »
I have always know that the loss freedom is only a pen stroke away. Which if you consider it means that we have never known true freedom, just the freedoms that TPTB allow us to enjoy at their leisure.
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2014, 10:33:06 AM »
Ingenuity at its worst. >:(


There is a difference between protesters and hooligans. Then the armed police are confronted by violent anarchists,in ANY country, are we surprised that the police react with force?
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2014, 10:56:57 AM »
What is it that they're fighting for? To join the EU? Crazy! Let's start a riot over here to get microchips implanted in our skulls...Looks like political provocateurs at work again. Let's all take up arms and fight for the NWO...not
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2014, 11:02:35 AM »
just watched a vid where the police stripped one protester naked and stood him up to have them take pictures of him while they jeered and staged him.. all  outside in minus temps.
 
I,m thinking the tanks will roll today
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2014, 11:09:04 AM »
reports coming in that internet and cell phones being shut down. some feeds up.. some down.. if they mostly all go down... the end is near.. wouldnt want the world to witness.
yesterday many folks got messages on their cell phones saying
 "you are participating in a riot"
they can be tracked by their phones.
other protesters being kidnapped and showing up dead in the woods.
press being beaten along with protesters
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2014, 11:09:27 AM »
LRADS, water cannons, and tear gas, we used to call this a party. On a more serious note don't you think that the police are answering violence with violence in an attempt to stop this? Don't think that I'm on either side of this, their seems to be a calculated agenda behind these riots, riotting to join the EU? Not condoning either party, but this sure looks like an attack on this nations soveriegnty. The EU will bring them into the fold and they will lose their ability of self determination. Hitler used the same tactics to get into power, control the mob, make a fuss, and get attention. Wonder who will emerge as the leader of this little rebellion? And when he crawls out of his hole into the daylight, will we know who is backing him? Follow the money. Just my 2 cents...for whatever that's worth.
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2014, 11:54:58 AM »
I can understand what they are afraid of. I was few years back working in Ukraine and if you saw the way of life in little villages you  can not believe this is 21 century. I could tell you stories that will make you cry. All that is being for many years in communist system under Russian control. That what they are scared of.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2014, 12:17:24 PM »
Point taken
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2014, 12:32:45 PM »
Henry - I know that conditions are really bad there - and the EU will make things worse. I agree with Nobshere that provocateurs have stirred the pot  - that and a great propaganda campaign.

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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2014, 12:36:27 PM »
Its an EU issue. Kyiv is where the protests are being held. Last I heard it was about 3K strong. Hardly enough to overthrow a government but perhaps enough to bring some sort of change. Dying protesters is never good for government. I does happen though and is part of the 'game' if one chooses to partake in it.

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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2014, 03:18:24 PM »
by the looks of the pix theres several thousands and not just young punks looking for trouble. estimates from 10-20 thousand.. today the 'leaders' of the crowds have advised the women and children to go home as tonite will be hell.
many vids show thousands.
it seems to be a 'peoples' revolution? there were pics of one woman in wheel chair, helping fill sandbags. lot of participation.
I,m sure its the young ones who are dodgeing the police and running up with molotov cocktails, but so many of the crowd are older.. some, waay older.
now theres news that several citys have been overtaken by the protesers.. this is not a small thing.
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2014, 07:06:09 PM »
My understanding is , it is not the love of EU it is the hate of Russia (Putin). Just remember he is the ex KGB chef.
I believe that Russia would be more helpful for them than EU but the horrific memories are too powerful and still too fresh.
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2014, 07:00:44 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2014, 07:10:49 AM »
was watching avid yesterday a 6 wheel armored vehicle removing a burned out bus, beside the police line as the protesers watched.
It ocurred to me that the vehicle was susceptible to fire.. tires/wheels..
 
was thinking if some of the protesters threw molotovs just in front of the police line, and another group  assaulted the vehicle with molotovs...? Im sure it wouldnt take too long for the occupants of the vehicle to get too warm.
 
 
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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2014, 12:29:06 PM »
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Re: more kiev ukraine
« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2014, 02:39:10 PM »
^ great link Zeker!!
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