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Title: Forming a group
Post by: NObshere on October 09, 2013, 10:43:23 AM
Whether you have an established group or or just looking to join or form a group there are probably a few things which you should consider.

Initial contact, Email, phone, or a chance conversation in a grocery line. As you part ways, make eye contact briefly and smile, watch their reaction. Make a point of meeting with them , coffee...

Second meeting, lead the conversation towards personal rights, then listen to their views, see if they are on the same page. Talk about basic preparedeness, water,food, shelter see if they have started anything on their own. A few questions about family, upbringing and personal experience, doesn't hurt either. End the meeting with an invite to dinner or another coffee. Again make eye contact and smile, watch the reaction.

Third meeting, give directions to where youre having dinner, meet with them, order, or serve dinner, without making eye contact, watch their reactions to the activites going on around them. Talk about some current events. Eat , relax and let them start the conversation.

Fourth meeting, invite them to your house, show them basically how you prep. Work on the relationship from there.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: wild_E on October 09, 2013, 11:16:57 AM
The last couple of paragraphs, not make eye contact?? that would be not good for me, I always make eye contact and if someone does not return, it is a huge red flag to me.


Otherwise, agreed.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: above all, adapt on October 09, 2013, 01:30:44 PM
Great thread.

Third meeting, give directions to where youre having dinner, meet with them, order, or serve dinner, without making eye contact..

lol, I think "without making eye contact" must have been a typo...?  

Minimal eye contact or wearing sunglasses the whole meeting are definitely red flags for me.

Sorry if im getting off track here...but what are some "commandments" or "rules" that should be part of a well organized group?

Interested to hear people's opinions.. :)
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Mountainman on October 09, 2013, 07:12:48 PM
Howdy All,

I hope I am correct when I state that the time for like-minded folks out there to band together with others of a similar stripe is now. And that time may be running a little short, depending on whom you listen to.

Like many on here I was a lone wolf for a long time, not because I wanted to; more because the opportunities to network were not available or as easy as using this Forum.

Should you drop all your Opsec and rush in, to hastily create any old group - NO!

The trust building phase alone can take months and yes, years. But, if you do not start now - what is the alternative???? Linking up after SHTF with the first 5 or 6 survivors you come across??

I look forward to seeing how this topic matures.

Mountainman.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: NObshere on October 09, 2013, 11:53:24 PM
Yes the time is now.

Should have read not making direct eye contact so that you can read body language.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: NObshere on October 10, 2013, 12:04:49 AM
A well organized group Well you should have someone to organize tasking, each member should have a specific task, building, mechanical, electrical, food presevation/preperation, medical,... and all should be involved in security. If your group is large enough one person should be placed in charge of one or more of these catagories, as per their limits. In smaller groups everyone should kick in on priority tasks.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: M590a1 on October 10, 2013, 12:51:15 AM
There's an interesting part in Mountainmans G.O.O.D. book on group dynamics... don't have it in front of me but has different stages outlined.

Forming, storming, norming, and performing (iirc).

Worth the read for these pages alone if you are a lonewolf looking into joining a group. 

BTW my group is on the edge normalcy after three months. Becoming a cohesive unit takes time, understanding and openness to overcome conflicts which undoubtedly arrive.  Surviving Stressful Situations Speeds Success *the 5 "S's" of group dynamics??*  ;)   

 

Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: above all, adapt on October 10, 2013, 07:16:41 PM
There's an interesting part in Mountainmans G.O.O.D. book on group dynamics... don't have it in front of me but has different stages outlined.

Forming, storming, norming, and performing (iirc).

Worth the read for these pages alone if you are a lonewolf looking into joining a group. 

BTW my group is on the edge normalcy after three months. Becoming a cohesive unit takes time, understanding and openness to overcome conflicts which undoubtedly arrive.  Surviving Stressful Situations Speeds Success *the 5 "S's" of group dynamics??*  ;)   

Well said  :)
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: grandma on November 05, 2013, 05:47:59 PM
I harken back to a wise man who surrounded Himself with a dozen close associates.  Many 'home groups' of a different ilk have about this number as well.  Each of the 12 then has his own 'groups'...family members, etc.  The underground churches in China have what are called cell groups of a dozen or so, each person then having that number below him (below is not to mean subordinate).  This seems like a manageable size to me...a dozen families or so, each having its own head. (traditionally it would be Dad, but today's families may have Mom as head, or Grandma). 

No one person should have the only knowledge or skill in an area.  If you only have one midwife in your group, she should be training someone from day one.  One hunter?  He should have an apprentice.  One person who knows how to garden? She needs to be training her replacement.  Always have a back-up person.  And that person should be training another.

Group decisions help people take owneership of a situation, but it doesn't need to be unanimous.  Find out if people in your intended group can/will accept a choice that they don't agree with.  If they can't, what will you do?  I don't need to agree with you, but I'd like to know how you arrived at your choice; then I can work with you.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: above all, adapt on November 05, 2013, 05:52:25 PM
I harken back to a wise man who surrounded Himself with a dozen close associates.  Many 'home groups' of a different ilk have about this number as well.  Each of the 12 then has his own 'groups'...family members, etc.  The underground churches in China have what are called cell groups of a dozen or so, each person then having that number below him (below is not to mean subordinate).  This seems like a manageable size to me...a dozen families or so, each having its own head. (traditionally it would be Dad, but today's families may have Mom as head, or Grandma). 

No one person should have the only knowledge or skill in an area.  If you only have one midwife in your group, she should be training someone from day one.  One hunter?  He should have an apprentice.  One person who knows how to garden? She needs to be training her replacement.  Always have a back-up person.  And that person should be training another.

Group decisions help people take owneership of a situation, but it doesn't need to be unanimous.  Find out if people in your intended group can/will accept a choice that they don't agree with.  If they can't, what will you do?  I don't need to agree with you, but I'd like to know how you arrived at your choice; then I can work with you.

awesome....
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: mrselfdistruct on November 05, 2013, 10:27:10 PM
Hello fellow like minded people.  I am almost 40 and my wife is of similar age.  We presently have no children, and our family's live far away either on the other side of Canada or even farther away.  If the balloon goes up, we might not have a lot of people we could count on, and we are unfortunately stuck in a major city due to my work.  I don't think I am giving away any secretes to say we are in the Calgary area.  Many years ago in Ontario I woke up one day with no power in the middle of the winter, it lasted 3 weeks.  This event woke me up to the fact that you need to be prepared for disaster.  The recent flooding in Calgary area opened my wife's eyes and she realizes I am not completely crazy.

I am not really sure about forming a group or joining one, but would like to get to know people that have a similar mindset and have options to pool resources in the future... perhaps.

I currently work in the security industry, think much more than a security guard.  I am an avid and successful hunter and fisher.  I have a military background, including many still current serving friends.  I am a true outdoors man.

My wife works in the dental industry, she is not much of a pepper.  She does however come from a culture and time that makes living rough something she has had to do in this lifetime.   She is a fast learner and hard worker, and I have been instructing her in the basics of shooting. 

If you would like to get to know us better please feel free to contact me privately for my email address.  Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Gravlore on November 09, 2013, 01:00:45 PM
I have a new approach to accepting people. If someone wants in a group you ask them to write down their thoughts on paper, for whatever category you want. I thought that someone near us had the same thoughts when it came to personal freedom and jobs that we were good at. Turns out he hires everyone to do those jobs for him and he has also made comments on others that make me question his political and moral ideals. Paper does not nod in agreement or change its words to make you happy. People can manipulate the spoken word, but its hard for a person to change their words once handed to you. If your ideals match then you have a personal match and go from there. Till then the family and I are alone. No headaches though since the politics of a group make me ill. A computer group I can walk away from and come back to. :)
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: icrcc on November 09, 2013, 01:10:57 PM
I like your idea of having possible members write down their ideas and thoughts.  What sort of questions do you ask?
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Jerry D Young on November 09, 2013, 06:27:49 PM
Get the card game Conflicted and play a few rounds with potential members. You will learn a lot about everyone if you do.

http://conflictedthegame.com/buy-conflicted-the-survival-card-game/

Just a thought. (I love the game.)

Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Gravlore on November 09, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
Questions can be past present and future questions. All things are really on the table. Jobs, politics, future planning, strengths, weakness, religious beliefs etc. Some things are general but it depends on how deep personally the group wants to be. If it is a small society then political affiliation and why they like/dislike what they do, would tell you a lot of how they would view a group.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: icrcc on November 10, 2013, 12:16:01 AM
Get the card game Conflicted and play a few rounds with potential members. You will learn a lot about everyone if you do.

http://conflictedthegame.com/buy-conflicted-the-survival-card-game/

Just a thought. (I love the game.)



Thanks for the info Jerry. I just purchased the game with PayPal it cost $18 CN. I can't wait to get it.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: rmactsc on November 10, 2013, 12:24:25 AM
Let me know what you think of the card game Conflicted when you receive it.  I'm thinking about purchasing it as well so your thoughts on it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: rmactsc on November 10, 2013, 12:25:46 AM
When it comes to forming a survival group I have two sets of criteria.
1 - The men must be skilled in survival and preparedness.
2 - The women must look great in tight jeans and bikinis :)
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: icrcc on November 10, 2013, 12:27:31 AM
When it comes to forming a survival group I have two sets of criteria.
1 - The men must be skilled in survival and preparedness.
2 - The women must look great in tight jeans and bikinis :)

And the woman must outnumber the men 3 to 1?  ;)
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: icrcc on November 10, 2013, 12:28:26 AM
Seriously though the idea of generating questions and considerations that define where you are and possibly where potential members are is a good one. I am wondering if this is something we could develop an outline for here? It is a big task but we donít have to reinvent the wheel.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: wild_E on November 10, 2013, 12:36:17 PM
Perhaps it could go to the section where the Disaster meeting thread is located?
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: above all, adapt on November 10, 2013, 07:15:09 PM
Let me know what you think of the card game Conflicted when you receive it.  I'm thinking about purchasing it as well so your thoughts on it would be appreciated.

I just got my deck 2 weeks ago or so...back when I did a post on it...did a few cards with some close friends, tonight gonna play the deck with other close friends. It is well worth the $18...makes a great stocking stuffer!  
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: rmactsc on November 10, 2013, 08:49:51 PM
Thanks above all, adapt.  I'm going to order a set.  Glad to know it's an interesting game.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: M590a1 on January 01, 2014, 07:53:36 AM
 ;)
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: NObshere on January 01, 2014, 09:56:58 AM
That about sizes it up!...
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Jensen on May 23, 2014, 03:42:04 PM
For me personally I think a set of predetermined questions would put me off. I much prefer to meet in a neutral place for some social interaction defined as talking with each other. I have no issue with anyone wanting to cover a certain number of topics but its not an interrogation. It should be an exchange of ideas, opinions and experiences. If I can have a beer with you and like what you have to offer as a person within ideas, opinions and your previous experience we might just have the basics for a group :).

I would suggest continue meeting as a group for a number of times. Whether its for social activities, classroom training, shooting range, fishing trip etc. The idea is to form a friendship through these activities and reach shared goals. You do not have to be BFF but a friendship needs to be in place in my opinion. From there you can start planning and putting a group structure in place to cover mutual needs as a group. New members could be introduced through members using the same approach to ensure right fit into group and new members could then be accepted via vetting through an existing member and acceptance by the entire group.

A poster mentioned Forming, Storming and Norming earlier on in a different way. It may have been in Mountainmans book on group dynamics but I have not got his book so I cannot say for sure. But if it was he knows what he talks about when discussing group dynamics. I have been a Manager in Europe, North America and in the Middle East and I am very happy that I learned about this management principle in the military before my civilian career. Whenever you have a group of people working together or living together this applies. The Storming period can be petty (you shake your head sometimes) or down right ugly and it usually establishes everyone's pecking order within the group. It can be very simple and easy too. It all depends on how you as a Leader or group of Leaders handle this and are aware that this is indeed normal behaviour for any group of people working together (let alone a reaction to SHTF going on around them !). Remember this principle and when you have a situation within your group. Always remember its perfectly normal human emotion and subsequent behaviour. Annoying and frustrating at times - YES. But normal human behaviour :).
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Jensen on May 24, 2014, 06:48:23 PM
Jensen,

Sounds like you have been there and done that. ;-)



LOL !. Mountainman I have been around for 43 years so..... No seriously I have been fortunate to have an inner Viking from birth so travelling and working like the old days (minus the raping and pillaging)  is a natural way of life for me. Saying that I am now happy that we seem to have settled down. Especially as the world seems to be heading towards very uncertain times and I would not want to get caught out anywhere else but home here in Canada.

 
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Mountainman on May 24, 2014, 10:23:53 PM
Jensen,

I hear that. We are certaining living during the most interesting times. It is good to call Canuckland our home.

Mountainman.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Jwild101 on May 26, 2014, 09:55:36 PM
Oh and just for some trivia for you Westerners .... the safetest place based on Seismology and volcanically is .... the Caribou Distric of Centreal British Columbia. Infact it's the safetest place in all Canada.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Mountainman on May 26, 2014, 11:20:28 PM
Jwild,

Great points.

The Caribou you say.....only concern from this far East, is how is Fukishima affecting your area?? I hear rumours that it is still pumping out the rads and they flow from Japan straight to BC. I am not sure if that is true or not. I miss the Interior of BC. Maybe I will win the lotto and move back......

Good to have you in this discussion. I look forward to more astute observations and recommendations.

MM.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Jwild101 on May 27, 2014, 12:00:25 AM
MM... That's why you have diversity in your group. Someone who specialises in Radiation. But than again we all have to die sometime...LOL. And it's a beautiful place to spend your last days
You miss the interior, I miss BC period. Lived in Surrey for a while. Have about a dozen cousins spread out between Victoria and Chilliwack. If you do some digging around there are some responsible priced properties there. Well they're reasonable priced for BC.
 
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: wild_E on May 27, 2014, 01:13:45 PM
Just a note;

We do not advocate Free Man on the Land here.
We do not advocate Anarchists or Anarchy
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Mountainman on May 30, 2014, 11:56:42 PM
Aseity,

I am working on your request to consolidate the conversation on the other thread. Please, bear with me as it may take me a little bit to achieve this.

MM.


All,

It looks like I have been successful at moving Aseity's project to his other thread.

MM.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Aseity on May 31, 2014, 10:45:02 AM
Thank you Moutainman, it is really appreciated.


Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: zeker on May 31, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
we dont need no steenking bikinis. >:D
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Mountainman on May 31, 2014, 10:28:46 PM
MM... That's why you have diversity in your group. Someone who specialises in Radiation. But than again we all have to die sometime...LOL. And it's a beautiful place to spend your last days


jwild,

LMAO. Specialists will be needed, for sure. Suit up, mask up..........ahhh the life.

MM.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Mountainman on September 09, 2014, 10:55:45 PM
Evenin' All,

"Found" this YouTube video, that may help some out there to form a group. This concept is the 3 man militia from Mike Mah.

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtgnTm_HsLc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtgnTm_HsLc)

Cheers,

MM.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: WildernessTwin on September 11, 2014, 12:52:33 AM
I like the idea of the game. Maybe the London group might want to meet up for coffee and really get to know each other in this area.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: BOA on February 05, 2015, 01:09:09 AM
It is really hard to find people that are trust worthy... recently I had to ask two member of my group to leave and they are going to be hard to replace due to their skill sets. This was a husband and wife team whom I have known for many many years... long story short .. ripping people off got them the boot. I don't even know where to begin now with how to judge good character for potential group members, I am suspicious of everyone now.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: icrcc on February 05, 2015, 10:21:23 AM
It can be tough and I am not sure that you can ever get a perfect group in all respects if it were we might all be living in communes.  :)
Family units tend to be best and a group of family units can be a godsend but it can also be a curse if internal conflict arises. Over time members of groups change either because they leave or are asked to leave. When change occurs the group dynamic also change, that is inevitable. I was sorry to hear that you had to ask them to leave for ripping people off. I guess it depends on the severity of the infraction but sometimes better the devil you know than the one that you don't. I think that you do the best that you can choosing the members of your group and if the SHTF go with who you have and make it work even if that entails making some difficult compromises.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: BOA on February 06, 2015, 11:43:07 PM
I would agree sometimes that it is better the devil you know... but in this case ... if these people are willing to steal some cash from a best friend.. then what would they do in a SHTF scenario? My family means the world to me and I couldn't allow this type of risk to them from these people. I was the one who initially brought them into the prepping world and I know that they will not continue any prepping outside our group. It was our enthusiasm that kept them interested and without it they will undoubtedly revert back to their couch potato way's quickly. 
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: icrcc on February 07, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
That is too bad. Actually they have two strikes against then because they were also lacking commitment. I like to think I am a good judge of character after thirty years in teaching you get to see the whole spectrum however I have been disappointed a couple of times in the last few years when people exhibit behavior that I would never have expected from them.  The thing is you never know for sure and after the TSHTF this would probably be twice as bad. One thing is for sure the longer you know someone the better, eventually their true colours come out.
Title: Re: Forming a group
Post by: Doersall on October 22, 2015, 10:21:41 AM
WOW,  I use that word a lot on this forum.  This is such a great thread and very timely.


I am out of time for the moment ................... must run .........