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Offline zeker

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guilty.. thats all
« on: April 26, 2015, 04:35:43 AM »
THE PROVINCIAL LIBERALS WOULD LIKE YOU TO AGREE TO GIVE UP YOUR RIGHT TO BE CONSIDERED INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. IF YOU DO NOTHING, THEN IT WILL HAPPEN:[/font][/size]
This is the message from a Facebook page called POA-AMP Opposition Group, formed to organize and implement a plan to create effective opposition to the proposed Administrative Monetary Penalty System (AMPS). If you haven’t heard about it, you are not alone. The deadline to comment on this new system is April 28th, 2015. David Reevely, a journalist with the Ottawa Citizen, writes that “The Ontario government wants to save money and speed up the justice system by lowering the standards of proof needed to convict people of non-criminal offences and moving a lot of those cases out of courts.http://ottawacitizen.com/opinion/columnists/reevely-lower-standards-of-proof-and-online-hearings-are-among-ontarios-ideas-for-speeding-up-courts[/font][/size]
From the Facebook page:[/font][/size][/b][/color]
“I don't know how often you go on the Attorney General's webpage so I'm going to suggest looking at the following link. http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/poa_consultation.asp[/font][/size]
The Attorney General is proposing a new way to handle provincial offences. At this point they are looking mostly at parking, idling, handicap space type infractions; however, they are looking at a phased approach so little by little they want to change the system.[/font][/size]
I know, right now the system sucks...right? Well what is proposed is called the Administrative Monetary Penalty System (AMPS) and it is being looked at for infractions of provincial statutes and municipal by-laws in Ontario. So what does that mean? Well, it means that a system is being looked into that will make things seem easier.[/font][/size]
What it really means is that, as this is phased in, more and more of our rights will be taken away. The right to the presumption of innocence until proven guilty is removed from the equation. The only method of "fighting" the charge is through methods such as online. The only "fighting" you will be doing is with regard to the amount of the fine, which they will let you 'dicker' with the officer; however, if you are issued a ticket or fine or summons - you are guilty. So in other words, there is no 'fight'.[/font][/size]
A police officer, bylaw officer or citizen (citizen information/complaint) says you have done something - then that's the end of it. You've done it.[/font][/size]
Please take a few minutes, follow this link, read the information, and respond to the questions. The deadline for submissions is April 14, 2015. Don't let your rights be taken away from you. Let them know that there are options besides taking away your rights. We have Agencies, Boards and Commissions (ABC) and one option would be to set up a tribunal to deal with parking issues and minor offences. Make sure to let them know that is not acceptable to further this AMPS issue into areas above the $100.00 point. If this is changed, and you are ticketed in the amount of $375.00 for instance, there is no argument. You are guilty - you will pay.[/font][/size]
Let them know that taking away our rights is not acceptable. After the public consultation, the process will move on to legal organizations. Don't be afraid to let the legal organizations in Ontario that you do not find this acceptable.[/font][/size]
Anyway, read the paper for yourself. It is an easy read. Answer the questions, add your own comments and fire it off (email). I urge you not to stand still on this issue. http://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/poa_consultation.asp[/font][/size]
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Re: guilty.. thats all
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2015, 10:54:32 AM »
 Just read the link, and this whole process is to take place online in an impersonal setting, ie no one meets face to face. So...out with common law, where you have the right to face your accuser in court before a judge or jury. If the courts are overloaded then hire more judges and/or get rid of some really stupid laws.
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Re: guilty.. thats all
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2015, 01:12:08 PM »
It is a pity that it does not apply to the Liberals themselves. They have broken so many laws, cost the taxpayers billions and lie through  their teeth.
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Re: guilty.. thats all
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2015, 07:52:01 AM »
Read the link and made my comment anyway even stating it was late. I complimented them on how well they hidden the information from the voters and stated yes it is costly to have your day in court which is your right but how costly is is when we start losing our rights.
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Re: guilty.. thats all
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2015, 02:15:22 PM »
The date for submission has been extended to APRIL 28th.  I just sent my response in. This has to rank right up there with one of the worse things the Liberal Government has ever attempted to do.
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Re: guilty.. thats all
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2015, 07:11:26 PM »
LMAO... The WORST thing the Liberals ever attempted to do was form a government. They are in charge in Toronto, make no mistake, but in now way can this be confused with a democratic government that exists to serve the people.
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